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The Portuguese version will not be understood by almost all Timorese - because they don't speak the language.

The English version is ungrammatical and also bordering on incomprehensibe. How about a better translation so we can understand why you think this is worth quoting.
 

English translations sounds fine to me. Aim of religion is to take people to heaven in the after-life. Aim of political party is to bring "heaven" to the people while they are alive. Religion concerns itself with the immaterial world, political parties with the material world.

This quote serves to remind us that religion, hence the Church should return to its rightful place, to concentrate on the life after death, eternal salvation, the kingdom of heaven, etc., instead of getting itself mixed up in the politics of the material world. After all as Catholicism would have it, the only thing that matters is the immaterial world, life after-death. Whether you live happy on earth is irrelevant. What will happen to your soul after you die is the most important. Whether you will end up in heaven or hell depends on how you lead your life on earth. And the church is not leading by example. I wonder if every priest and nun in Timor will end up in heaven.
 

Oh I get it now.

So FRETILIN was happier with the Church under Portuguese Bishop Ribeiro when rosary beads were the only help it asked for while Timorese were dying in their tens of thousands?

Would FRETILIN have lectured against the Church after Ribeiro when, headed by Timorese, it spoke strongly in defense of earthly human rights, justice and self-determination?

Perhaps FRETILIN despised the fact that the Timorese flocked to the Church, not FRETILIN, as the one institution in T-L after 1980 that could offer any meaningful earthly material protection from the depredations of the Indonesian military.

No knowledge or sense of history here, especially T-L history.
 

Who is that in the cartoon coffin? Alkitiri or Bin Laden?
 

there is a lot of sense... you guys have a huge lack of understanding and that's why you don't get...

I will explain it in a very simple way, ok??? What it means is:

Religious representatives shoud be doing their job as it, not interfering in the Goverment/State representatives. GOT IT???

Even a 5 year old kid can understand it.
 

Bishop Ribeiro and Bishop Belo were the only ones with a genuine humanity to help the East Timorese people whether Catholic or not. These later priests and nuns have only one thing in their mind: to advance the Catholic empire and impose Catholic teaching and morals on people. In 2005 the Church organised a 3 week rally to force the government from turning religious education from compulsory to elective. After the demo, the Church also made new demands to criminalize prostitution and abortion. The Church is openly against unmarried couple with children. The Church is against the use of contraception to prevent diseases and unwanted pregnancy. The Church is against display of public affection. And the Catholic Church is Timor is trying to turn Timor-Leste into a Taliban-style country. Already Timor-Leste has many public holidays thanks to the Church.

The Church is against Fretilin because Fretilin is not prepared to negotiate these issues with the Church. These issues are for the people to choose and not for the State to regulate. People should be given the option to study a religious subject or not; to use contraception or not; to have an abortion or not.

Soon Timor-Leste will also face the dillema of whether to accept gay marriage, to accept terapeutic cloning, etc.

The Church is also scared that its influence in the society would diminish therefore its massive wealth ammassed on the back of the people will once and for all be dismantled. The crimes committed within the Church such as child mollestation, sexual exploitation, etc., will also be uncovered. Already there are too many priests who have illegitimate children with other women, mowt of whom initially only offered their services to the Church but were later exploited as sex slaves. These issues will only come out when the power and influence that the Church puts on the people is diminished and this will only happen with a determined leadership.

And don't compare what the Churchmen and women do with what the politicians do. The politicians are answerable to the people. The Church doesn't answer to anybody.

That's why Alkatiri's words are quotable not only in a Timor-Leste context but also in the whole wide world.
 

Correction to my posting above:

Bishop Martinho, NOT Bishop Ribeiro.
 

The Church, like every other body in T-L, is required to respect the laws of the land and should definitely not work to undermine the basic processes of the State.

But that does not mean it has no right to have a different view from the government on particular issues of concern to it and the country and to express them.

I support an earlier poster who reminded us of the important civic role the Church played in Indonesian times. This should continue.

Rather than Fretilin and the Church seeing each other as the enemy, they should accept each other's existence, stop demonising each other and seek ways to cooperate.

I recommend Patrick Walsh's thoughtful comments on this relationship last year. They can be found at:

http://www.etan.org/et2006/july/15/21toward.htm

I think there is a lot more wisdom in this than the quote from Mari (which I didn't really understand either) or the interpretations that have been offered here.

Aussie Timorphile
 

Lets look at the facts.

Many things changed after the Indonesians left East Timor. Some of those things are:

BEFORE INDEPENDENCE: the Timorese and resistance organisations including Fretilin were more than happy for the Church to voice its opinion against the Indonesian invasion and human rights violations, advocate for Independence (things very much material).

As a matter of fact the church was so active that it saved the lives of many people including Falintil commanders.

The church had a very good relationship with the resistance movement and some of the more well known priests such as Father Maubere, Filomeno Jacob were very pro-active in their support of the clandestine resistance.

There are even accounts of priests taking their robes off and giving them to Falintil commanders do wear in order to avoid detection at indonesian military check points.

AFTER INDEPENDENCE: Timorese expats coming back from communist countries take power and change the whole nature of that relationship.

The timorese who lived through the invasion are, in a bid to exercise totalitarian power in Timor, easily led by this group of unreconstructed commies to forget the past and adopt a confrontational posture towards the churh. Not to mention the fact that the group is lead by a muslim who has no roots whatsoever in East Timor other than being born there.

I dont want to sound racist, but these factors are of sociological value and can offer us much insight into the way people conduct themselves...
 

I agree with some of Timor2's response to Anon 3:52PM. But I think the challenge for FRETILIN is to resist a certain arrogance of power that its 55 seats seems to represent to itself. Less triumphalism and self-righteousness; more humility and consultation in the service of the whole country.

Rather than ignoring or creating enemies of its critics (as it tends to do), it needs to listen more; to include rather than exclude.

If Mari's quote, the original reason for this discussion, has been correctly interpreted by his supporters then he is effectively saying the Church should stay out of politics. If so, he is wrong. T-L's history should tell him so.

A T
 

Timor2,

Your speech is very moving indeed, but unfortunately couldn't be further from the reality. A constructed reality which obviously was out of your reach but firmely in the hands of Fretilin's political leaders such as Mari Alkatiri, Ana Pessoa, Roque Rodrigues, Rogerio Lobato, Luolo, etc, etc.
I believe from reading your comments that perhaps, from your demonstrated good will, things would have been different had you had more clout on the political running of the country.

You preach about tolerance and democracy. We should therefore look at the "fine example" of tolerance and democracy that Fretilin's leadership provided us during its 4 year reign.

I will not even touch the subject of the formation of a democratically elected Parliament and the subsequent creation of a government until you tell us the date on which Parliamentary elections were held in Timor.

As for tolerance I must say that your leaders surely gave us a fine example.

-Public servants who were recruited on the basis of their political afilliation. In a country suffering from chronic unemployment, people were forced to lie about their political sympathies or convert to Fretilin in order to provide for their families.

-Public servants being dismissed 'en mass' for participating in opposition party rallies, even though they were off duty.

-A Prime Minister (Mari) saying on national TV that opposition political parties should be more cautious when setting up new offices after UNDERTIM's members and office were assaulted and their premises destroyed by Fretilin militants.

-A Prime Minister (Mari) being most tolerant when he said "If Fretilin loses there will be bloodshed". A very fine show of tolerance and statesmanship indeed.

-The setting up of some most draconian laws to supress the freedom of speech.

-A vice-president of Fretilin condemned for 7,5 years in prison for distributing weapons to party members to eliminate political opposition.

-A deputy speaker of Parliament who said "Lets go to war" during the 2006 crisis.

-A Prime Minister (Mari) using various derrogative and insulting words and expressions to refer to the opposition leaders.

The list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on ...

Are the points I mentioned above symptomatic of what Mari said in 2001 during the campaign for the Constituinte Assembly?
I quote:

" [Alkatiri] We have already guaranteed 80 per cent [of the vote] but we would like to achieve 100 per cent for two reasons: to allow our supporters and our members to carry on their work without excluding others from working as well, and for this reason we want to achieve 100 per cent. We have other reasons, for example, we want to show the world that who fought the war was Fretilin, who brought democracy to Timor was Fretilin and who has been giving the freedom of existence to the other parties is Fretilin."

A closer analysis of this statement can provide us much insight into the frame of mind, thinking and direction of this most influential Fretilin secretary general. This was the ominous sign of the discrimination that was to come because as stated, unless one is part of that targeted 100% fretilin membership you could certainly expect to be discriminated against. Thus, "...to allow our supporters and our members to carry on their work without excluding others from working as well, and for this reason we want to achieve 100 per cent." (http://members.canb.auug.org.au/~wildwood/01augrivals.htm)

Most revealing is also his statement that "... who has been giving the freedom of existence to the other parties is Fretilin."
This practically amounts to Mr. Mari saying that people's freedom of association and political afilliation is not a human right per se but rather a "right" confered by the grace of Fretilin, and as seen throught the 4 years of governance, that right can also be taken away. "he giveth, he taketh".

A more indepth phsycological profiling of this man and other Fretilin leaders from the communist diaspora could reveal a lot more about their demeanour. My belief is that they are reluctant democracts haunted by old communist habits and teachings.


On the communist countries I mentioned

MOZAMBIQUE

"When independence was achieved in 1975, FRELIMO rapidly established a one-party state allied to the Soviet bloc and outlawed rival political activity. FRELIMO eliminated political pluralism, religious educational institutions, and the role of traditional authorities."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique

The first ever democratic election was held in 1994, that is 19 years after independence was achieved in 1975. This is also the span of time Mr. Mari Alkatiri had lived under a totalitarian comunist state. One might argue (no offense intended) that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks".

ANGOLA

"Upon independence from Portugal in 1975, Angola's capital and nominal government came under the one-party rule of the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA).

Since 1979, Jose Eduardo dos Santos has been in control of the country's political leadership. Despite the introduction of a multi-party system in 1991, the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA) has remained in power."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola

I mean everyone with a minimum amount of knowledge in history will tell that those countries, more relevantly Mozambique, were self proclaimed communist countries until recently. Even Mari will not deny that. So I advise you that before you put "pen to paper" do some research. It might avoid you some embarrasing moments. I provided with the wikipedia links to show you that, in this "global village" of ours information is not as hard to get for those who are willing to know.

Besides, even Fretilin (modeled on Frelimo) had a one party system constitution when it unilaterally procalimed independence in 1975, not recognised by the internacional community. And we know for a fact today, no need or way to hide or deny anymore, that Fretilin was a marxist-leninist inclined revolutionary movement (not party).

Mind you, I agreed with you that our constitution, aside some much nedeed revisions, is quite liberal and democratic. A FINE DOCUMENT that needs improvement.
Unfortunately, Fretilin did not give much attention to the citizens rights therein established until such time as it came under direct threat and swiftly held on to it as a way of pointing its "right" to govern.

As for what is communism, maoism, marxism or leninism (whatever "ism" fancies you) I must say this would be too academic a debate for this forum. Nevertheless, should you really insist in such a scholarly exercise, I'll be glad to oblige and give you the benefit of the first discourse.

PEACE
 

Ooops! At this rate it wont be too long for "comment moderation" to kick in.

All this open debate is inadmissible.

TimorOnline knows it too well that sometimes freedom of expression is not the best thing when there is an agenda to push.
 

Yep. Credit where its due. Lets hope the open debate continues.

Much healthier than the sinful masdebating when the agenda pushers here are only talking to themselves.

God
 

Viva a Angola Comunista!

"Angolans to reinforce Mugabe"

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/angolans-to-reinforce-mugabe/2007/03/22/1174153254719.html
 

Timor2 said:

"The question of legitimacy of the Legislature will be best resolved ithis year by elections but there was a consensus that the CA was to become the Parliament Carlos Valenzuela the head of the IEC made that clear before the elections and Xanana also made that clear. There were no political parties at that time which argued against this and all were willing participants of the CA elections and its democratic outcomes."

I said I would not touch on the subject of Parliament until you actually enlightened un on the dates Parliamentay elections too place in 2001. Nevertheless your reply deserves some comments.
The fact that there may have been a consesus (not quite) at the top level to that effect, the people are the true sovereign. The people never voted for a Parliament nor were they minimally aware that the 2001 CA election was going to result into the formation of a National Parliament. No mention of it was made in the party campaigns so people thought they were voting for a Constituent Assembly with the sole mandate of DRAFTING, I repeat, DRAFTING the constitution. But that will be history soon.


Timor2 Said:

" If you care to look at the make-up of the first FRETILIN led government there were Independents and individuals from other political parties that were included in the government and agencies of the Government. Armindo Maia as an independent became Minister of Education, Rui Araujo Min of Health, JR Horta Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ms Isabel Ferreira the a member of UDT was chosen on merit to be exPrime Minister’s Human Rights Advisor, there are some pro autonomy individuals in the Government also. It was a very inclusive government. There are contrary to your allegations many individuals from other political parties that are important members of the Timorese public service, specially the students from Indonesia who sympathise with PD."

I never claimed that there were no independents in government and/or agencies. What I wrote was that the recruitment process was corrupt and there were unofficial criteria based on political affiliation. I personally know of a couple (2) cases where the political affiliation issue came up at the job interview. The people being interviewed lied on both ocasions in order to improve their chances of success.
To achieve a 100% Fretilin affiliated public servants would have been virtually impossivel no matter how hard you try, which does not mean there were no attempts to maximise that.
As for the "independents" such as Armindo Maia, Rui Araujo, Ramos Horta, etc etc (i.e. politically appointed positions) the danger of such people not towing the line is minimal as being political appointments they can be dismissed at any time by the party. That is not so much the case with public administration positions where dismissal is governed by established rules of the public service act making it much more important to employ the "right kind of people" to begin with. Not necessarily right in competency as we know (no one can deny) of many cases of former so called Fretilin clandestine resistance without qualifications whatsoever accupying senior administrative positions in the public service.
This tendency can also be understood from the fact that there is a popular belief or expectation among the population that the militants of the winning party have, somehow, more right to fill jobs in the administration than non-militants. This is a generalised feeling around the country. I just hope that other political parties strongly resist this tendency and demystify this popular belief otherwise Timor will never be able to have a competent public administration capable of catering for the countries needs.

Timor2 said:

" The issue of UNDERTIM is that they opened their offices in a village predominantly sympathetic to FRETILIN, the reaction of the village was emotional and not officially sanctioned by FRETILIN. This is why the Mari also said that any organisation opening offices should be more careful by consulting with the community first. FRETILIN itself consults community leaders when opening their offices."

This answer is exactely what I find is unacceptable in a country supposedly democratic and governed by the rule of law. Rather than concentrating on the fact that a crime was commited by Fretilin militants, sanctioned or not by the party, the PM of RDTL and now YOU Timor2, opt instead to warn law abiding citizens who were exercising their constitutional right of political association and freedom of movement in their country to be more cautious with their political activities. Any democrat with a sense of justice would feel compelled to say that anyone proved of having commited a crime or denying other citizens the opportunity to exercise their contitutional rights should and would be prosecuted. This is what the Prime Minister of any democratic nation governed by the rule of law would have said. Instead he proved that he was a PM from Fretilin and for Fretilin rather than for the whole nation.
Instead, the victims are made to feel as if they are the ones in the wrong. Imagine telling a woman victim of rape (for example) that she should have been more careful not to dress a mini-skirt in a town where most women wear long skirts. No mention that the rapist should be caught and prosecuted but instead that the victim should have been more careful when exercisinh her right to walk down the street wearing a mini-skirt.
If this is not repressive, I dont know what repression is. What scares me most it that someone like you, who strikes me as having some sense, not only cannot see how wrong this posture was but is actually trying to justify it. God help Timor!


Timor2 Said:

"There were protest made by different groups including demonstrations hijacked by the opposition parties all of which the government did not interfere or oppress. Mari’s house was ramsacked in 2004 but there was no retaliation. The Petitioners even had the liberty to attack Gov buildings and there were no retaliation. Another country would of retaliated without any leniency."

The ransacking of Mari's house in 2004 is a subject of much mystery and many, including president Xanana have in the past demanded that the investigation led by the deceased Inspector General, Mr Mariano Lopes had conducted jointly with the Public Prosecutor's office be made public. That report was submitted to the Prime Minister who choose not to publish it. To this date this "riot" and its root causes as well as authors remain a mystery. This is startling given that before the investigation took place Mari, as the PM vowed to bring those responsible to justice. Many are those who theorize that the reason for non-disclosure was that the author of that crisis was a disgruntled Rogerio Lobato.
I suppose these are just speculations, but in the absence of the facts which Mari himself choose to keep out of the public arena, they become rife. In any case I find it hard to find other explanations as to why Mari choose not to reveal or act on the results of the investigation. One thing is certain. Mari was not moved by a highly developed sense of kindness for the criminal elements of the opposition parties. That would be most hard to believe. He did not do justice any favour when he choose to keep it a secret. The public has a right to know the truth and justice should be served.

As for the Petitioners case, I certainly hope that you reconsider your statment that there was no retaliation involved.
In fact, the Fretilin government's, more especifically Mari Alkatiri and his "crisis group" illegal order to deploy the armed forces to deal with the Petitioners (see UN Independent Special Comission of Inquiry Report and recommendations) was not just retaliation but an act of repression. To suggest that "Another country would of retaliated without any leniency", in other words with more deadly force than Mari used and in violation of national laws is simply ludicrous. Unless you are refering to totalitarian countries like china and what it did in Tienmen Square, I would find it very hard to believe that such actions would have taken in a true democracy. If so, surely the appropriate sanctions would have applied to those responsible for issuing such illegal orders that resulted in loss of life.

Timor2 said:

"In regards to the communist countries you mentioned, these countries have moved on. FRETILIN has learned the negative governances that were pertinent in those countries in regards to communism, hence you find the Timorese constitution to be one of the most liberal drafted by those you allege to be communist. Again this also highlights your rhetoric has past it’s used by date, Timor is not a communist country live with it. You are living in past of a long gone cold war era."

One thing is writing a nice constitution founded on democratic principles, another is to fully implement it through the full respect of democratic values and principles. Indonesia has always been, in principle, a democracy but the political methods used in reality were far from democratic unless you beg to differ. If so I would be most interested to see you argue otherwise.
As such, and because Indonesia (Golkar) was traditionally seen as aligned to the "political right" (after the brutal fall of Sukarno), I would consider it to be fascist. In the case of Fretilin, being an assumed leftist aligned movement, many aspects of its governance would be more likened to old communist methods. Not to forget that Fretilin was indeed inspired by the communist revolutionary movements of the sixties, one of which it modelled itself after (FRELIMO in Mozambique where Mari and others spent a substancial time of their youth).

Granted it may be virtually impossible to find any communist principles enshrined in the Constitution, but it is rather easy to find many examples in real life to associate Fretilin with old communist methods of governance. As mentioned before Fretilin had a One Party system Constitution in 1975. That is certainly not what democracy is about. More recently, the "show of hands" vote in the election of a new Fretilin leadership is more reminiscent of the old communist countries than of new democracies.

You wrote that those communist countries have moved on but I would prefer to say that those countries are struggling really hard to let go the old habits of their communist past. As such they are not full blown democracies and they still display much of the old "modus operandi". I suppose this is how I would categorise Mari's Fretilin, as a party, rather than a full blown communist one. Having said that, I would not categorise Mari Alkatiri as a full blown communist (despite the fact that many of his closest supporters are members of the Portuguese Communist Party (as an example) I would probably see in him a "reluctant" or "circumstancial" democrat.

Timor2 Said:

"Believe what you want to believe lests use the elections to resolve our differences. This time I hope there will be no sore losers."

Likewise, and regardless on who is the victor, I hope the time of instability, conflict and suffering is left well and trully in the past.
 

closing remark.


I find it amazing the way you snake around the main issues raised in my comments.
The analogies you've used to justify Mari's victimisation of people in the UNDERTIM case I exposed just leaves me flagergasted and worried for the future of democracy and justice in Timor-Leste

You inability and unwilliness to come out and say: "you're right. Rather than put the onus of responsibility on the victims, Mari, As the Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste should have publicly condemned that calous attack on UNDERTIM and call for people involved to be brought to justice". (even if they belonged to his party)

Instead you say "If you know Timor well you would know that many Timorese people react in aggressive manner if they are not consulted." as if that constitutes an acceptable defence.

In that case we should not be surprised or shocked at the latest violent crisis that brought down Fretilin's 1st Gov.
Mari and Fretilin should just accept it and realise that that's what the Timorese do when they are not consulted or happy. Maybe next time he'll be more cautious and sensible.
 

ummm hec! I think PEACE won that argument pants down.

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hihiihiihihihihihi
 

I just wonder. In a good time after independence where Fretilin could win a total majority in the previous election, it only reached 56,3 %. What will happen now after all this four years bitter experience living under tents as refugees. Will people be still voting FRETILIN?

Will people still be voting FRETILIN after those formations of militias to hunt opposition leaders?

I will better bet for a political party of modern formats like the Republican Party of Saldanha or the Democratic Party of Lasama, rather than a political party tied to dark history of crime witnessed by the mass graves of massacres of FRETILIN killing its opposition leaders in Aileu in 1975.

A criminal is always a criminal, the sentence to Rogerio Lobato just pictures what a FRETILIN party is: Once communist, always communist. By debates or by guns, FRETILIN never wins.

FRETILIN alone could never have won the war. The 56.3% in the 2001 elections tells the power of FRETILIN.

No well educated people will join the group of monsters.

Goodbye FRETILIN.
 

Favor escreve em portugues ou tetum para timorense pode precebe. Escreve em ingles so para australiano precebe? Australiano vai para teu casa que fica na Australia!
 

Loos duni anon. 2:44 PM. Hau husu deskulpa hau hakerek lobuk ida iha leten ho lian Ingles maibe tanba hau hatan komentariu balun tuir lian sira uza.

Maibe hau mos konkorda ho ita no senti ita tenke hahu dezenvolve daudaun ita nia lian Tetun liuhosi hakerek no mos pratika ita nia lian ofisial ida seluk Portuges.

Obrigadu ba ita nia komentariu.
 

hau konkorda......
ita labele usa lian portugues. Maluk sira lahatene portugues mai ukun ita durante tinan 450 la halo buat nebe diak maibe halo ita beik ba nafatin.

Tansa mak ita sei uja lia ema beikten nian?

hau hanoin lian bahasa indonesia ho inggris diak liu nudar ita nia lia ofisial iha ita nia rai doben.

Ita labele tuir fretelin hodi lambe nafatin portugal nia kidun.
 

Lian bahasa indonesia nuda'ar lian ofisial?

Balu lakohi "lambe nafatin portugal nia kidun." maibe "sudah siap" hodi ba lambe fali bapak nia kidun? Sira nebe halakon 1/3 populasaun Timor nian mak diak liu fali?

Entaun ita funu tinan 24 hasoru Indonesia atu ikus fali foti sira nia lian nuda'ar ita nian rasik?

Nee hau senti traisaun boot ida ba ita nia bei ala no matebian sira no mos ba ita nia nasaun tomak.

Lian Bahasa Indonesia ofisial mak lae liu...
 

Desculpa maluk, hau hanoin 1/3 populasaun mate tamba kilat, laos tamba bahasa! Se uza kilat indonesia, hau la koi, meibe uza bahasa indonesia ita timor oan iha oportunidade barak.

Se hetan maluk...
 

1/3 populasaun mate tanba kilat???

maluk hanoin sala tanba kilat mesak labele oho ema. Kilak bele oho deit ema bainhira iha ema seluk kaer kilat nee hodi tiru.

Nunee duni ita haree momos no senti iha ita nia isin rasik katak timoroan sira mate tanba politika no hanoin aat nasaun indonesia nian nebe haree timoroan sira hanesan balada fuik bele oho arbiru.

Agora ita manan ona funu hasoru Indonesia maibe balu lakon tiha sira nia orgullu nasional (rasa bangga nasional) no hakarak ba horon nafatin Indonesia nia kidun.

Nudar povu soberanu ida Timoroan
nia orgullo nasional ina nebe loos?

Hotu2 hatene katak independensia laos deit bandeira maibe inklui mos kultura, identidade no buat seluk tan.

Ita funu hasoru Indonesia tanba ita hakilar ba mundo tomak hodi hatete katak povu Timor la hanesan povu Indonesia no ita hakarak ukun rasik aan ho ita nia kultura, no identidade rasik.
Ita terus makas too ikus manan tiha atu ba foti fali sira nia identidade linguistika nudar ita nian rasik?

Kuitadu Timor...

Ita nia "rasa bangga" iha nebe loos? Saida mak importante liu? Ita nia independensia TOTAL ba futuru rohan laek ka simu deit sira nia lian hodi hakonu ita nia kabun ho supermi?

Indonesia sira kala hamnasa fuik ita... Nee laos deit ba lian Indonesia maibe mos ba lian Ingles.

Ita bele (no tenke) aprende no uza duni lian rua nee hotu atu defende ita nia interese iha mundo raiklaran maibe labele halo ofisial nudar Timor nia identidade linguistika.

maluk sira hanoin didiak ba...