Monday, January 15, 2007
Alfredo Reinado, Rui Lopes, M72 rocket launcher and media coverage
Report on East Timor War Lords
Recently I published on this BLOG a number of sensational revelations. These revelations were picked by the media, but they provided no confirmation nor denial to some of these allegations. No one bothered to check with Alfredo Reinado and the rocket in his possession, its serial number, its origin, etc. Shame. In the end it is the East Timorese who will continue to live with uncertainty and among small armed gangs holding them at ransom. Shame!
One of the media reports also confirmed that one of the Lopes' brothers' is on bail for criminal activities which involves illegal drug manufacturing (similar to the ones rumoured to be present and in use in Dili, specially during the anti-government rallies last year) and illegal arms possession.
President Xanana Gusmao,
East Timor's Nelson Mandela
or Charles Taylor?
I am glad that this BLOG helped to alert the media to look into this white elephant in the room which everyone is trying their hardest to ignore. How can you look away when a deserter with the potential to plunge the country into abyssmal failure is pictured with a rocket launcher? I don't understand why has the authorities in East Timor, specially the UN and the ADF, are not taking the slightest of interest to uncover where and how Alfredo Reinado got the rocket launcher? And what about President Xanana? Shouldn't he be worried that his protége obtained such weapon? Or does he believe that the rocket launcher in Alfredo Reinado's hands is for defending the East Timorese'? From whom I wonder. East Timorese deserve better!!
Here are some of the articles:
The Age
Snapped one fugitive, one rocket launcher
Tom Hyland
January 14, 2007
EAST TIMOR'S fugitive rebel leader Alfredo Reinado, wanted for attempted murder and armed rebellion, has been photographed with a rocket launcher of the same type as those stolen from the Australian Army.
The picture was taken late last year, about the time Reinado attended a seminar in the presence of Australian troops, who have close and cordial relations with him despite his fugitive status.
The launcher on Reinado's shoulder is a light anti-armour weapon (LAW), of the same type issued to Australian troops in East Timor.
The weapons have been at the centre of a security scare in Australia, where stolen rockets allegedly fell into the hands of terrorists. NSW police are still trying to find six of the missing launchers.
News that Reinado, who escaped from a Dili jail last August, has his hands on a missile capable to disabling a tank or bringing down a helicopter has raised intriguing and alarming speculation in Timorese and security circles.
A security expert said it was possible the missile came from criminal sources in Australia.
And if Reinado had more than one of the rockets, it raised serious problems for Australian forces if they tried to move against him, the expert said.
A spokesman for Defence Minister Brendan Nelson denied Australian troops had allowed Reinado to pose with an Australian LAW.
Nor, he said, had the Australian Defence Force supplied such weapons to the East Timorese Defence Force, from which Reinado deserted last May as East Timor's security forces disintegrated and the country descended into political chaos. He said all the LAWs issued to Australian troops in Timor were accounted for.
Last month, the Government announced an audit of stocks of the LAW, which fires a 66mm missile, following thefts from Australian armouries.
This month, a Sydney man was charged with possessing stolen rockets. Police alleged the weapons were in the hands of a terrorist group that planned to use them to attack targets in Sydney, including the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor.
The Reinado photograph was taken in late November, when the rebel leader spoke in the town of Suai at a seminar to promote reconciliation attended by government and church leaders. In interviews at the time, Reinado boasted he had no intention of surrendering or handing over his weapons.
Australian officers also defended their decision not to arrest him, saying they were acting on the advice of the Dili Government, which hopes to entice the former major to surrender and avoid more bloodshed in the traumatised nation.
Theories abound as to where Reinado obtained the weapon.
An East Timorese blogger has speculated it may have come from Indonesian sources or even from criminal connections in Australia. An international security expert said neither East Timor's police nor army officially possessed LAWs, but it was possible such rockets had been obtained and never entered in official inventories.
It was also possible the launcher came from "across the border" in Indonesia or from Australian criminals.
It was unclear from the Reinado photo whether the launcher was armed. The LAW is a one-shot weapon, and the one in Reinado's hands could already have been fired or was a safe training model.
But if it was an armed weapon, and Reinado had more of them, "it's pretty serious", the expert said. "An LAW could shoot down a Black Hawk helicopter, no problem," he said.
LIFE AND TIMES OF ALFREDO REINADO
Former head of East Timor's military police
Deserted with 20 soldiers in May last year.
Abducted by Indonesian troops as a boy during occupation of East Timor and forced to work as an army porter.
Escaped to Australia by boat in 1995.
Returned to East Timor after its independence and in 2002 joined his country's new armed forces.
Arrested by Australian troops on firearms charges last year.
Led a mass escape from jail in August.
PS: Alfredo's wife and children was evacuated to Australia and has been living in Perth under strict security watch!!!
The Sydney Morning Herald
East Timor rebels obtain rocket launcher
Tom Hyland
January 14, 2007
EAST Timor's fugitive rebel leader Alfredo Reinado, wanted for attempted murder and armed rebellion, has been photographed with a rocket launcher of the same type as those stolen from the Australian Army.
The picture was taken late last year, about the time Reinado attended a seminar in the presence of Australian troops, who have close and cordial relations with him, despite his fugitive status.
The launcher on Reinado's shoulder is a light anti-armour weapon (LAW), of the same type issued to Australian troops in East Timor.
The weapons have been at the centre of a security scare in Australia, where stolen rockets are alleged to have fallen into the hands of terrorists.
The news that Reinado, who escaped from a Dili jail in August, has a missile capable of disabling a tank or bringing down a helicopter has raised alarm.
A security expert said it was possible the missile had been obtained from criminal sources in Australia.
If Reinado had more than one of the rockets, there would be serious issues for Australian forces if they tried to move against him, the expert said.
A spokesman for Defence Minister Brendan Nelson denied Australian troops in contact with Reinado had let him pose with an Australian LAW.
Nor had the Australian Defence Force supplied such weapons to the East Timorese Defence Force, from which Reinado deserted in May as East Timor's security forces disintegrated and the country descended into political chaos.
The spokesman said all LAWs issued to Australian troops in Timor were accounted for.
This month a Sydney man was charged with possessing stolen rockets. Police said the weapons were in the hands of a terrorist group that planned to use them to attack targets in Sydney, including the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor.
The Reinado photo was taken in late November, when the rebel leader spoke at a seminar in the town of Suai, also attended by government and church leaders and aimed at promoting reconciliation.
In interviews at the time, Reinado boasted he had no intention of surrendering himself or his weapons.
Australian officers also defended their decision not to arrest him, saying they were acting on the advice of the Dili Government, which hopes to entice the former major to surrender and avoid more bloodshed.
Speculation abounds as to where Reinado obtained the weapon.
It was unclear from the photo whether the launcher was armed. LAWs are a one-shot weapon, and the one in Reinado's hands could have been fired and now useless.
But if the weapon was armed, "it's pretty serious", the expert said.
AAP
The South East Asian Times
Police discount rockets as supplied from Australia
Darwin, January 15: The Australian Federal Police do not believe anti-tank rockets in the possession of East Timor fugitive Alfredo Reinado were among those stolen from the Australian army.
An AFP spokesperson delivered the Australian national police force’s verdict when The Southeast Asian Times asked if a rocket launcher displayed in a photograph of the major could be one of the stolen weapons early last week.
The spokesman did not say how the AFP had reached its decision; nor did he say if Reinado’s possessing of the weapons had been investigated.
The possibility of the weapons having been stolen from Australia was raised in the weekend edition of the mass-circulation Sydney-based newspaper, The Sun Herald.
Major Alfredo Reinado was a key player in the violence that helped destabilise the East Timor government in May-June when the Australian-trained soldier led deserting troops and was accused of sparking the civil unrest that killed 21 people. Reinado’s shipping of arms into the mountains beyond Dili was known in Australia the evening it happened.
The story by an Australian Associated Press correspondent says Reinado had been photographed with a rocket launcher of the same type as those stolen from the Australian Army.
The photograph — published in previous editions of The Southeast Asian Times — was taken about the time Reinado- who escaped from a Dili jail in August - attended a Roman Catholic-Church-sponsored seminar in Suai, about 138 kilometres southwest of Dili in November.
Australian soldiers at the seminar made no effort to arrest him although he is wanted for murder and rebellion.
The Australians said the decision not to arrest the major followed advice from the East Timor government who wanted the fugitive to surrender without bloodshed.
The light anti-armour weapon is of the same type issued to Australian troops in East Timor.
The AAP correspondent quoted a spokesman for Defence Minister Brendan Nelson as having denied Australian troops in contact with Reinado had let him pose with an Australian anti-tank rocket.
Nor had the Australian Defence Force supplied such weapons to the East Timorese Defence Force and all such weapons issued to Australian troops in Timor were accounted for.
Police have charged Taha Abdul Rahman, 28, of south western Sydney with having supplied five of the Light Anti-Armour Weapons to one of the men arrested in anti-terrorism raids in Sydney last November.
Earlier, an AFP spokesman told Fairfax newspapers it was “common sense” to assume agents were searching for the rocket launchers in Victoria because known Islamist terrorist g cells were in Melbourne and Sydney’s southwest.
The AFP spokesman also discounted the likelihood that designer drugs made in Darwin had been distributed to youths promoting violence in East Timor, especially the capital Dili.
The AFP was asked about the possibility after a raid on an East Timorese-owned enterprise in the industrial suburb of Winnellie on June 30 last year.
The raid had been organised by the Northern Territory police, he said.
Forty two members of the Northern Territory Police, the AFP and Australian Customs arrested Ruy Miguel Lopes, 37, who was charged with possessing methyl amphetamine powder; liquid amphetamines and 5.8 litres of the date rape drug GHB.
Police reports say various types of unsecured firearm ammunition and about $30 000 in cash — believed to be tainted property - was also found and seized.
Lopes is now free on $A2000 bail but his lawyer, former Country Liberal Party member of the Legislative Assembly, Peter Maley, has twice told magistrates that his client will plead guilty at a formal lower court hearing in March.
The Lopes family is reported to have extensive investment in Suai.
Northern Territory police superintendent Peter Gordon said the Winnellie premises was used as the distribution hub for the drugs that were likely to be destined for the domestic market.
A member of the Lopes family - Rui Lopes — was prominent in the demonstrations against former prime minister Mari Alkatiri.
In August, he told a reporter from the SBS Dateline programme “We are ready to die, we’re ready to defend, and ready to kill.”
Rui Lopes, former pro-Indonesia
militia thug and "ready to kill."
Various Australian newspapers, including The Australian, have reported suspicions that members of the Dili gangs were given designer drugs and money to fuel their activities.
The source of one front-page story in the national newspaper, The Australian, was from within prime minister Jose Ramos Horta’s office.
The Southeast Asian Times
Recently I published on this BLOG a number of sensational revelations. These revelations were picked by the media, but they provided no confirmation nor denial to some of these allegations. No one bothered to check with Alfredo Reinado and the rocket in his possession, its serial number, its origin, etc. Shame. In the end it is the East Timorese who will continue to live with uncertainty and among small armed gangs holding them at ransom. Shame!One of the media reports also confirmed that one of the Lopes' brothers' is on bail for criminal activities which involves illegal drug manufacturing (similar to the ones rumoured to be present and in use in Dili, specially during the anti-government rallies last year) and illegal arms possession.
President Xanana Gusmao,
East Timor's Nelson Mandela
or Charles Taylor?
I am glad that this BLOG helped to alert the media to look into this white elephant in the room which everyone is trying their hardest to ignore. How can you look away when a deserter with the potential to plunge the country into abyssmal failure is pictured with a rocket launcher? I don't understand why has the authorities in East Timor, specially the UN and the ADF, are not taking the slightest of interest to uncover where and how Alfredo Reinado got the rocket launcher? And what about President Xanana? Shouldn't he be worried that his protége obtained such weapon? Or does he believe that the rocket launcher in Alfredo Reinado's hands is for defending the East Timorese'? From whom I wonder. East Timorese deserve better!!
Here are some of the articles:
The Age
Snapped one fugitive, one rocket launcher
Tom Hyland
January 14, 2007
EAST TIMOR'S fugitive rebel leader Alfredo Reinado, wanted for attempted murder and armed rebellion, has been photographed with a rocket launcher of the same type as those stolen from the Australian Army.
The picture was taken late last year, about the time Reinado attended a seminar in the presence of Australian troops, who have close and cordial relations with him despite his fugitive status.
The launcher on Reinado's shoulder is a light anti-armour weapon (LAW), of the same type issued to Australian troops in East Timor.
The weapons have been at the centre of a security scare in Australia, where stolen rockets allegedly fell into the hands of terrorists. NSW police are still trying to find six of the missing launchers.
News that Reinado, who escaped from a Dili jail last August, has his hands on a missile capable to disabling a tank or bringing down a helicopter has raised intriguing and alarming speculation in Timorese and security circles.
A security expert said it was possible the missile came from criminal sources in Australia.
And if Reinado had more than one of the rockets, it raised serious problems for Australian forces if they tried to move against him, the expert said.
A spokesman for Defence Minister Brendan Nelson denied Australian troops had allowed Reinado to pose with an Australian LAW.
Nor, he said, had the Australian Defence Force supplied such weapons to the East Timorese Defence Force, from which Reinado deserted last May as East Timor's security forces disintegrated and the country descended into political chaos. He said all the LAWs issued to Australian troops in Timor were accounted for.
Last month, the Government announced an audit of stocks of the LAW, which fires a 66mm missile, following thefts from Australian armouries.
This month, a Sydney man was charged with possessing stolen rockets. Police alleged the weapons were in the hands of a terrorist group that planned to use them to attack targets in Sydney, including the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor.
The Reinado photograph was taken in late November, when the rebel leader spoke in the town of Suai at a seminar to promote reconciliation attended by government and church leaders. In interviews at the time, Reinado boasted he had no intention of surrendering or handing over his weapons.
Australian officers also defended their decision not to arrest him, saying they were acting on the advice of the Dili Government, which hopes to entice the former major to surrender and avoid more bloodshed in the traumatised nation.
Theories abound as to where Reinado obtained the weapon.
An East Timorese blogger has speculated it may have come from Indonesian sources or even from criminal connections in Australia. An international security expert said neither East Timor's police nor army officially possessed LAWs, but it was possible such rockets had been obtained and never entered in official inventories.
It was also possible the launcher came from "across the border" in Indonesia or from Australian criminals.
It was unclear from the Reinado photo whether the launcher was armed. The LAW is a one-shot weapon, and the one in Reinado's hands could already have been fired or was a safe training model.
But if it was an armed weapon, and Reinado had more of them, "it's pretty serious", the expert said. "An LAW could shoot down a Black Hawk helicopter, no problem," he said.
LIFE AND TIMES OF ALFREDO REINADO
Former head of East Timor's military police
Deserted with 20 soldiers in May last year.
Abducted by Indonesian troops as a boy during occupation of East Timor and forced to work as an army porter.
Escaped to Australia by boat in 1995.
Returned to East Timor after its independence and in 2002 joined his country's new armed forces.
Arrested by Australian troops on firearms charges last year.
Led a mass escape from jail in August.
PS: Alfredo's wife and children was evacuated to Australia and has been living in Perth under strict security watch!!!
The Sydney Morning Herald
East Timor rebels obtain rocket launcher
Tom Hyland
January 14, 2007
EAST Timor's fugitive rebel leader Alfredo Reinado, wanted for attempted murder and armed rebellion, has been photographed with a rocket launcher of the same type as those stolen from the Australian Army.
The picture was taken late last year, about the time Reinado attended a seminar in the presence of Australian troops, who have close and cordial relations with him, despite his fugitive status.
The launcher on Reinado's shoulder is a light anti-armour weapon (LAW), of the same type issued to Australian troops in East Timor.
The weapons have been at the centre of a security scare in Australia, where stolen rockets are alleged to have fallen into the hands of terrorists.
The news that Reinado, who escaped from a Dili jail in August, has a missile capable of disabling a tank or bringing down a helicopter has raised alarm.
A security expert said it was possible the missile had been obtained from criminal sources in Australia.
If Reinado had more than one of the rockets, there would be serious issues for Australian forces if they tried to move against him, the expert said.
A spokesman for Defence Minister Brendan Nelson denied Australian troops in contact with Reinado had let him pose with an Australian LAW.
Nor had the Australian Defence Force supplied such weapons to the East Timorese Defence Force, from which Reinado deserted in May as East Timor's security forces disintegrated and the country descended into political chaos.
The spokesman said all LAWs issued to Australian troops in Timor were accounted for.
This month a Sydney man was charged with possessing stolen rockets. Police said the weapons were in the hands of a terrorist group that planned to use them to attack targets in Sydney, including the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor.
The Reinado photo was taken in late November, when the rebel leader spoke at a seminar in the town of Suai, also attended by government and church leaders and aimed at promoting reconciliation.
In interviews at the time, Reinado boasted he had no intention of surrendering himself or his weapons.
Australian officers also defended their decision not to arrest him, saying they were acting on the advice of the Dili Government, which hopes to entice the former major to surrender and avoid more bloodshed.
Speculation abounds as to where Reinado obtained the weapon.
It was unclear from the photo whether the launcher was armed. LAWs are a one-shot weapon, and the one in Reinado's hands could have been fired and now useless.
But if the weapon was armed, "it's pretty serious", the expert said.
AAP
The South East Asian Times
Police discount rockets as supplied from Australia
Darwin, January 15: The Australian Federal Police do not believe anti-tank rockets in the possession of East Timor fugitive Alfredo Reinado were among those stolen from the Australian army.
An AFP spokesperson delivered the Australian national police force’s verdict when The Southeast Asian Times asked if a rocket launcher displayed in a photograph of the major could be one of the stolen weapons early last week.
The spokesman did not say how the AFP had reached its decision; nor did he say if Reinado’s possessing of the weapons had been investigated.
The possibility of the weapons having been stolen from Australia was raised in the weekend edition of the mass-circulation Sydney-based newspaper, The Sun Herald.
Major Alfredo Reinado was a key player in the violence that helped destabilise the East Timor government in May-June when the Australian-trained soldier led deserting troops and was accused of sparking the civil unrest that killed 21 people. Reinado’s shipping of arms into the mountains beyond Dili was known in Australia the evening it happened.
The story by an Australian Associated Press correspondent says Reinado had been photographed with a rocket launcher of the same type as those stolen from the Australian Army.
The photograph — published in previous editions of The Southeast Asian Times — was taken about the time Reinado- who escaped from a Dili jail in August - attended a Roman Catholic-Church-sponsored seminar in Suai, about 138 kilometres southwest of Dili in November.
Australian soldiers at the seminar made no effort to arrest him although he is wanted for murder and rebellion.
The Australians said the decision not to arrest the major followed advice from the East Timor government who wanted the fugitive to surrender without bloodshed.
The light anti-armour weapon is of the same type issued to Australian troops in East Timor.
The AAP correspondent quoted a spokesman for Defence Minister Brendan Nelson as having denied Australian troops in contact with Reinado had let him pose with an Australian anti-tank rocket.
Nor had the Australian Defence Force supplied such weapons to the East Timorese Defence Force and all such weapons issued to Australian troops in Timor were accounted for.
Police have charged Taha Abdul Rahman, 28, of south western Sydney with having supplied five of the Light Anti-Armour Weapons to one of the men arrested in anti-terrorism raids in Sydney last November.
Earlier, an AFP spokesman told Fairfax newspapers it was “common sense” to assume agents were searching for the rocket launchers in Victoria because known Islamist terrorist g cells were in Melbourne and Sydney’s southwest.
The AFP spokesman also discounted the likelihood that designer drugs made in Darwin had been distributed to youths promoting violence in East Timor, especially the capital Dili.
The AFP was asked about the possibility after a raid on an East Timorese-owned enterprise in the industrial suburb of Winnellie on June 30 last year.
The raid had been organised by the Northern Territory police, he said.
Forty two members of the Northern Territory Police, the AFP and Australian Customs arrested Ruy Miguel Lopes, 37, who was charged with possessing methyl amphetamine powder; liquid amphetamines and 5.8 litres of the date rape drug GHB.
Police reports say various types of unsecured firearm ammunition and about $30 000 in cash — believed to be tainted property - was also found and seized.
Lopes is now free on $A2000 bail but his lawyer, former Country Liberal Party member of the Legislative Assembly, Peter Maley, has twice told magistrates that his client will plead guilty at a formal lower court hearing in March.
The Lopes family is reported to have extensive investment in Suai.
Northern Territory police superintendent Peter Gordon said the Winnellie premises was used as the distribution hub for the drugs that were likely to be destined for the domestic market.
A member of the Lopes family - Rui Lopes — was prominent in the demonstrations against former prime minister Mari Alkatiri.
In August, he told a reporter from the SBS Dateline programme “We are ready to die, we’re ready to defend, and ready to kill.”
Rui Lopes, former pro-Indonesiamilitia thug and "ready to kill."
Various Australian newspapers, including The Australian, have reported suspicions that members of the Dili gangs were given designer drugs and money to fuel their activities.
The source of one front-page story in the national newspaper, The Australian, was from within prime minister Jose Ramos Horta’s office.
The Southeast Asian Times
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Cheap Propaganda in East Timor
No political party in the world has never stoped using propaganda in their poilitical campaign, likewise, almost no government in the world never stoped using propoganda to frighten or to create a wrong alert for its own population.
Ramos Horta has proven the world that with false or fake propaganda he can manipulate the international community to trust him that all East Timorese opted for Independence while in fact, some 50.000 East Timorese who are still now in Australia and the other 10.000 Timorese who are still now staying in Portugal and another 150.000 East Timorese who are still taken refuge in Indonesia never opted for Independence. But the reality is that, with lies, false arguments, packed in a good propaganda stratey and delivery could be effective to deceive the world to believe that all East Timorese wanted to become independent.
Ramos Horta is the best man for Propaganda, but the most one is the Fretilin Party.
The news of today in Australia on East Timor broguht up the rocket launcher hold by Alfredo. This was a hot topic on this blog. And the blog moderator or owner is happy because the hot topic in this blog could attract the media. I am also happy because one of the blog that I like to read brought such an issue that became the icon for the Australian media. But one thing that I pitty of is that why we should relate the Lopes in Australia with the Lopez (Rui Lopez) in East Timor? Why we should keep protraying Rui Lopez and Fernando Lasama as linked to the Lopez in Australia?
If the weapon could end up in the hands of Alfredo, it is not the fault of Alfredo. It just shows the weakness of East Timor Security or East Timor Government under Alkatiri's leadership. If Alkatiri could order Rogerio Lobato to form militia gangs (although Alkatiri keep denying it) and arm them with weapons, it is logical that some of those weapons may end up in the hands of people like Railos or Alfredo.
Please ask Mari Alkatiri or his brother Achmad Alkatiri who was the official supplier of the weapons. Did they just buy the 8.000 weapons for the East Timor FDTL and Police force or they buy 8.000 and get some extras which is 5 or 10 anti-tank rockets?
Please also ask Mari Alkatiri and Achmad Alkatiri why the government bought 8.000 weapons, but the government only registered 4.000? Where is the whereabout of the other 4.000 weapons? I think the Portuguese government who provided money to buy those weapons may explain why they gave money to buy 8.000 weapons, but only 4.000 reached the hands of the government. Is the other 4.000 with Railos or is the rocket launcher in the hands of Alfredo Reinado is also included in the 4.000 missing weapons?
But here again we see how Fretilin is trying to use the 1975 style cheap Propaganda to deceive the people. They are now trying to point their fingers to Rui Lopez or Fernando Lasama.
For those of the readers who do not know who Rui Lopes and Fernando Lasama really are. I would try to ask you to respect these two people. The East Timor independence would have never been attained without the influence of these two key persons.
Let you all be known that it was Rui Lopez who protected Xanana in his bunker in Lahane for three years in cooperation with the Indonesian reformist Koppassus group who was anti-Suharto. It was Rui Lopez who drove Xanana in his Land Rover with the escort of Indonesian Koppassus to walk around Dili to meet Mario Carrascalao, the Bishop and take medical docters to visit Xanana who almost died in his bunker for acute Syphilis while dating Jorge Serano's young sister who was still under age. The East Timor people owe the Lopez family for his sacrifice and inteligene in cooperating with the Indonesian reformist Koppasus group to protect Xanana while the Alkatiri family like Achmad Alkatiri was cooperating with the Indonesian army to kill the East Timorese people just for unjust competition to gain military projects in East Timor.
For Fernando Lasama and his group, Fretilin should thank them, because it was Fernando Lasama - as the president of East Timor youth and student organization called Renetil - who started the clandestine line fiercefully against threat at gun point from the Indonesian army in Bali and around Indonesdia, while Mari Alkatiri and Anna Pessoa were even ashamed to attend a Fretilin meeting in Lisbon, Portugal.
Who was Rogerio Lobato for East Timor Independence. Rogerio was a criminal who was jailled for diamond and weapon trade in Angola which does not have any relationship at all with East Timor independence. Who was Roque Rodrigues? He was an unployee in Portugal who does not even have a fixed job for his life. How can he contribute to East Timor independence? His contribution was zero other than the strong cummunist theory that he holds and that he is now trying to brainwash Taur Matan Ruak with those false communist ideologies that even Russia and China has left and even Cuba and North Korea cannot survive.
To be brief, I am not a Fretilin member, I am just a Fitun Lotuk Lemorai who would never stop talking until Fretilin changes his flag not to be similar with the East Timor national Flag. By using a party flag similar to the Nation flag already shows that Fretilin tries to manipulate the people as if Fretilin is the same as the Nation. Not voting for Fretilin is the same as go against the country.
The other thing is that Fitun Lotuk Lemorai would never stop talking when FDTL does not stop using the name FALENTIL. Because Fretilin is just trying to fool the people as if FDTL as FALENTIL is still the armed wing of FRETILIN while in fact it should be not.
Fretilin has to ralize that as long as it does not change its flag, and as long as it does not restructure and change the FDTL name, then conflict would never stop in East Timor, because it was not Fretilin alone who fought for East Timor Independence but it was after CNRM and became CNRT that attracted people of other factions like UDT, APodeti and lastly the loosers of pro-integration side to support East Timor to fight for independence. But what is unfair now is that Fretilin alone proclaims itself to be the winner. This is the root of the conflict.
FRETILIN you change your flag and wipe out FALENTIL from FDTL or we all will never live in peace in East Timor. Stop portraying people like Lopes and Lasama as enemies of the nation, because you will loose the support from the real people who ever fought for East Timor independence.
Taur Matan Ruak if wants to become the president of East Timor should stop be influnced and fed by the empty promises of comunism from Roque Rodrigues. Taur Matan Ruak would be a successful President if he can kick out the eternal opportunist like Ramos Horta who always side with the winning group and dissosiate himself from cummunist ideologies. Embrace the church, embrage the pro-integration minority and influencial group and you will have East Timor in your hand peacefully and be honored the real leader and hero of East Timor, not like an unbalanced president like Xanana or a cruel prime minister like Alkatire who wants to arm militias to kill his opponent groups.
May God be with you Fretilin, not communism, because I have had enough experience from the Fretilin communism in 1975 (o nian hau nian ita nian hotu. O nia fen hau nia fen ita nia fen hotu. Feton belo hola fali nan, oan bele hola fali inan). Fretilin labele fahe tan droga ba jovens sira hanessan sira halo iha 1975. Lalika promete buat bosok ten barak hanessan iha ailaran nebe debe ema nia osan pois dehan atu selu e too agora nein bintes metan ida Fretilin bele selu. Lalika promete tan dehan Rusia ka China ka atu lori fos ho hahan seluk atu hatun iha ailaran quando povo mate hamalaha iha ailaran quando Fretilin rasik laiha forsa atu hola hahan ba sira nia an rasik.
I think that is all from me for today. Long life East Timor if does not want to become a happy part as the protectorate of Australia.
by Fitun Lotuk Lemorai hanesan berliku ailaran tuan kanta lemo-lemorai. O atu rona ka larona hau kanta nafatin e hau fo roman nafatin hanesan fitun lotuk iha lalehan (NOTE: Fitun Lotuk in Tetun actually has a derogatory meaning. It means - Half crazy - out of mind)
No political party in the world has never stoped using propaganda in their poilitical campaign, likewise, almost no government in the world never stoped using propoganda to frighten or to create a wrong alert for its own population.
Ramos Horta has proven the world that with false or fake propaganda he can manipulate the international community to trust him that all East Timorese opted for Independence while in fact, some 50.000 East Timorese who are still now in Australia and the other 10.000 Timorese who are still now staying in Portugal and another 150.000 East Timorese who are still taken refuge in Indonesia never opted for Independence. But the reality is that, with lies, false arguments, packed in a good propaganda stratey and delivery could be effective to deceive the world to believe that all East Timorese wanted to become independent.
Ramos Horta is the best man for Propaganda, but the most one is the Fretilin Party.
The news of today in Australia on East Timor broguht up the rocket launcher hold by Alfredo. This was a hot topic on this blog. And the blog moderator or owner is happy because the hot topic in this blog could attract the media. I am also happy because one of the blog that I like to read brought such an issue that became the icon for the Australian media. But one thing that I pitty of is that why we should relate the Lopes in Australia with the Lopez (Rui Lopez) in East Timor? Why we should keep protraying Rui Lopez and Fernando Lasama as linked to the Lopez in Australia?
If the weapon could end up in the hands of Alfredo, it is not the fault of Alfredo. It just shows the weakness of East Timor Security or East Timor Government under Alkatiri's leadership. If Alkatiri could order Rogerio Lobato to form militia gangs (although Alkatiri keep denying it) and arm them with weapons, it is logical that some of those weapons may end up in the hands of people like Railos or Alfredo.
Please ask Mari Alkatiri or his brother Achmad Alkatiri who was the official supplier of the weapons. Did they just buy the 8.000 weapons for the East Timor FDTL and Police force or they buy 8.000 and get some extras which is 5 or 10 anti-tank rockets?
Please also ask Mari Alkatiri and Achmad Alkatiri why the government bought 8.000 weapons, but the government only registered 4.000? Where is the whereabout of the other 4.000 weapons? I think the Portuguese government who provided money to buy those weapons may explain why they gave money to buy 8.000 weapons, but only 4.000 reached the hands of the government. Is the other 4.000 with Railos or is the rocket launcher in the hands of Alfredo Reinado is also included in the 4.000 missing weapons?
But here again we see how Fretilin is trying to use the 1975 style cheap Propaganda to deceive the people. They are now trying to point their fingers to Rui Lopez or Fernando Lasama.
For those of the readers who do not know who Rui Lopes and Fernando Lasama really are. I would try to ask you to respect these two people. The East Timor independence would have never been attained without the influence of these two key persons.
Let you all be known that it was Rui Lopez who protected Xanana in his bunker in Lahane for three years in cooperation with the Indonesian reformist Koppassus group who was anti-Suharto. It was Rui Lopez who drove Xanana in his Land Rover with the escort of Indonesian Koppassus to walk around Dili to meet Mario Carrascalao, the Bishop and take medical docters to visit Xanana who almost died in his bunker for acute Syphilis while dating Jorge Serano's young sister who was still under age. The East Timor people owe the Lopez family for his sacrifice and inteligene in cooperating with the Indonesian reformist Koppasus group to protect Xanana while the Alkatiri family like Achmad Alkatiri was cooperating with the Indonesian army to kill the East Timorese people just for unjust competition to gain military projects in East Timor.
For Fernando Lasama and his group, Fretilin should thank them, because it was Fernando Lasama - as the president of East Timor youth and student organization called Renetil - who started the clandestine line fiercefully against threat at gun point from the Indonesian army in Bali and around Indonesdia, while Mari Alkatiri and Anna Pessoa were even ashamed to attend a Fretilin meeting in Lisbon, Portugal.
Who was Rogerio Lobato for East Timor Independence. Rogerio was a criminal who was jailled for diamond and weapon trade in Angola which does not have any relationship at all with East Timor independence. Who was Roque Rodrigues? He was an unployee in Portugal who does not even have a fixed job for his life. How can he contribute to East Timor independence? His contribution was zero other than the strong cummunist theory that he holds and that he is now trying to brainwash Taur Matan Ruak with those false communist ideologies that even Russia and China has left and even Cuba and North Korea cannot survive.
To be brief, I am not a Fretilin member, I am just a Fitun Lotuk Lemorai who would never stop talking until Fretilin changes his flag not to be similar with the East Timor national Flag. By using a party flag similar to the Nation flag already shows that Fretilin tries to manipulate the people as if Fretilin is the same as the Nation. Not voting for Fretilin is the same as go against the country.
The other thing is that Fitun Lotuk Lemorai would never stop talking when FDTL does not stop using the name FALENTIL. Because Fretilin is just trying to fool the people as if FDTL as FALENTIL is still the armed wing of FRETILIN while in fact it should be not.
Fretilin has to ralize that as long as it does not change its flag, and as long as it does not restructure and change the FDTL name, then conflict would never stop in East Timor, because it was not Fretilin alone who fought for East Timor Independence but it was after CNRM and became CNRT that attracted people of other factions like UDT, APodeti and lastly the loosers of pro-integration side to support East Timor to fight for independence. But what is unfair now is that Fretilin alone proclaims itself to be the winner. This is the root of the conflict.
FRETILIN you change your flag and wipe out FALENTIL from FDTL or we all will never live in peace in East Timor. Stop portraying people like Lopes and Lasama as enemies of the nation, because you will loose the support from the real people who ever fought for East Timor independence.
Taur Matan Ruak if wants to become the president of East Timor should stop be influnced and fed by the empty promises of comunism from Roque Rodrigues. Taur Matan Ruak would be a successful President if he can kick out the eternal opportunist like Ramos Horta who always side with the winning group and dissosiate himself from cummunist ideologies. Embrace the church, embrage the pro-integration minority and influencial group and you will have East Timor in your hand peacefully and be honored the real leader and hero of East Timor, not like an unbalanced president like Xanana or a cruel prime minister like Alkatire who wants to arm militias to kill his opponent groups.
May God be with you Fretilin, not communism, because I have had enough experience from the Fretilin communism in 1975 (o nian hau nian ita nian hotu. O nia fen hau nia fen ita nia fen hotu. Feton belo hola fali nan, oan bele hola fali inan). Fretilin labele fahe tan droga ba jovens sira hanessan sira halo iha 1975. Lalika promete buat bosok ten barak hanessan iha ailaran nebe debe ema nia osan pois dehan atu selu e too agora nein bintes metan ida Fretilin bele selu. Lalika promete tan dehan Rusia ka China ka atu lori fos ho hahan seluk atu hatun iha ailaran quando povo mate hamalaha iha ailaran quando Fretilin rasik laiha forsa atu hola hahan ba sira nia an rasik.
I think that is all from me for today. Long life East Timor if does not want to become a happy part as the protectorate of Australia.
by Fitun Lotuk Lemorai hanesan berliku ailaran tuan kanta lemo-lemorai. O atu rona ka larona hau kanta nafatin e hau fo roman nafatin hanesan fitun lotuk iha lalehan (NOTE: Fitun Lotuk in Tetun actually has a derogatory meaning. It means - Half crazy - out of mind)
# posted by 
: 10:17 AM
: 10:17 AM
Fitun Lotuk, you are obviously demented as your name suggests. Half crazy is an understatement in your case.
I suggest you read the UN's independent investigation first before making any more claims about the missing weapons.
You obviously don't know who Rui Lopes is. Better yet, you know nothing about East Timor's history. You tried to give a false interpretation of East Timor's history, but even then you end up contradicting yourself.
I don't know who you are but you are not helping anyone's cause and not even your own.
First, I can assure you that 100% of the East Timorese Diaspora (those living in Australia and Portugal) voted for independence, safe for a small group of people who supported the Third Way.
I respect those pro-Indonesian East Timorese who opted to stick to what they always believed. They are always welcome to East Timor whether as Indonesians or as East Timorese. I have more respect for people like Francisco Lopes da Cruz, Basilio de Araujo, Joao Tavares and others for sticking to their principles than for people whose only interest is themsleves. These people had the courage to stick their principles. Otherwise they are nothing but opportunists.
Go get your facts right first.
Bibi Timur
I suggest you read the UN's independent investigation first before making any more claims about the missing weapons.
You obviously don't know who Rui Lopes is. Better yet, you know nothing about East Timor's history. You tried to give a false interpretation of East Timor's history, but even then you end up contradicting yourself.
I don't know who you are but you are not helping anyone's cause and not even your own.
First, I can assure you that 100% of the East Timorese Diaspora (those living in Australia and Portugal) voted for independence, safe for a small group of people who supported the Third Way.
I respect those pro-Indonesian East Timorese who opted to stick to what they always believed. They are always welcome to East Timor whether as Indonesians or as East Timorese. I have more respect for people like Francisco Lopes da Cruz, Basilio de Araujo, Joao Tavares and others for sticking to their principles than for people whose only interest is themsleves. These people had the courage to stick their principles. Otherwise they are nothing but opportunists.
Go get your facts right first.
Bibi Timur
# posted by : 1:34 PM
: 1:34 PM
In response to 10:17 AM
You are living in dreamland with your comments- my guess is you are a member of the Lopes family.
You are living in dreamland with your comments- my guess is you are a member of the Lopes family.
# posted by : 4:56 PM
: 4:56 PM
Clarification for the East Timorese in diaspora who opted for East Timor Independence. They did opt for ET independence, but they they never wanted to return to East Timor. They prefer to stay in Portugal or Australia or Indonesia. What is the meaning of independence for them then?
If they prefer to be citizens of Portugal or Australia or Indonesia, why should they then give a fuss with the ET independence? For whose life did they fighted for?
The history of nationhood had proven that who ever governs a country, in what ever country it is, corruption is always the end target of those people in Power. Angolan leaders, Mozambican leaders, Guine Bissau leaders had shown that the struggle for independence is no more than struggling just for the chance to govern and to corrupt. Mari Alkatir and Ramos Horta are just two personalities of ET independene fighters who are trying to imitate the same practices of their friends from Angola, Mozambique and Guine Bissau.
Look whose dealing with ET oil negotiation. Look who gives the concessions to foreign companies. Look at the length of time Alkatiri or Ramos Horta are giving to those companies. Only money can tell all those stories. Poor pure descendents of ET who are happy to be bullied by people like Alkatir, Ramos Horta, Mario Carrascalo, and etc, and etc.
People like Francisco Lopes da Cruz or Basilio Dias Araujo, Joao Tavares or Eurico Guterres, Abilio Araujo are really people of principles. They have the guts to defend and to stand for something better than what Fretilin did abruptly.
No one can turn the clock back now other than just wiping out the 1975 generation and replace it with the new and modern minded generation who know better to generate and run a good government based on the principles of Good Governance - a pro community based government - not a government that kills her own citizen just because of difference of opinions. A country that promotes respect for freedom of speech and not forming death brigades to frigthen and kill her own citizen.
Fitun Lotuk Lemorai canta hanesan berliku ailaran tuan semo lemo-lemo rai.
If they prefer to be citizens of Portugal or Australia or Indonesia, why should they then give a fuss with the ET independence? For whose life did they fighted for?
The history of nationhood had proven that who ever governs a country, in what ever country it is, corruption is always the end target of those people in Power. Angolan leaders, Mozambican leaders, Guine Bissau leaders had shown that the struggle for independence is no more than struggling just for the chance to govern and to corrupt. Mari Alkatir and Ramos Horta are just two personalities of ET independene fighters who are trying to imitate the same practices of their friends from Angola, Mozambique and Guine Bissau.
Look whose dealing with ET oil negotiation. Look who gives the concessions to foreign companies. Look at the length of time Alkatiri or Ramos Horta are giving to those companies. Only money can tell all those stories. Poor pure descendents of ET who are happy to be bullied by people like Alkatir, Ramos Horta, Mario Carrascalo, and etc, and etc.
People like Francisco Lopes da Cruz or Basilio Dias Araujo, Joao Tavares or Eurico Guterres, Abilio Araujo are really people of principles. They have the guts to defend and to stand for something better than what Fretilin did abruptly.
No one can turn the clock back now other than just wiping out the 1975 generation and replace it with the new and modern minded generation who know better to generate and run a good government based on the principles of Good Governance - a pro community based government - not a government that kills her own citizen just because of difference of opinions. A country that promotes respect for freedom of speech and not forming death brigades to frigthen and kill her own citizen.
Fitun Lotuk Lemorai canta hanesan berliku ailaran tuan semo lemo-lemo rai.
# posted by : 10:37 PM
: 10:37 PM
Fulan lotuk, you are obviously pro-Indonesia. But I respect your position. I like Indonesia, the people and the country. It's beautiful and I have there many times as many of my family also live there. However I think you are just making up things as you go and nothing you say make sense, except to muddy the waters.
True that the majority of the diaspora East Timorese stayed where they are now. But there are many who also returned to East Timor. Those who remained outside are supporting their families in East Timor which in turn helps the country's economy.
The vast majority of the East Timorese diaspora, at least 99% of them, voted rejecting to be part of Indonesia. Why? After 24 years under Indonesia more than 200,000 people died. Relative to the size of East Timor's population, this is around 2/3 of all the East Timorese. This is a scale comparable only to the NAZI holocaust. This is a genocide. And almost every member of the East Timorese diaspora have at least one member of their immediate family a victim in the hands of Indonesian government in the most unjustifieable way. And you ask why they voted for East Timor to break away? And you ask why nearly 80% of the East Timorese voted not to be part of Indonesia? Are you that insensitive? Or maybe you are an Indonesian who does not understand the scale of terror and oppression that the East Timorese went through? Or maybe you are a member of those priviledged East Timores who collaborated with Indonesia and got all of your family members to safety in Jawa?
You blame Fretilin in 1975 for the Indonesian invasion. Did Fretilin invite Indonesia to invade East Timor? Did UDT? Did any East Timorse? Indonesia had plans to incorporate East Timor long before the East Timorese even decided to be the outcome of their future.
And pease stop being a racist and an ignorant puritan. Hundreds of thousands East Timorese died fighting Indonesia's army regardless of their race or religion. If you know a bit about what you are talking about then you ought to know this.
East Timor belongs to all whether you are rich or poor, catholic or non-catholic, criminals or not. No one is less East Timorese than others. Any decent and hard working East Timorese has a limitless opportunity to be whatever he or she wants to be. This is East Timor.
True that the majority of the diaspora East Timorese stayed where they are now. But there are many who also returned to East Timor. Those who remained outside are supporting their families in East Timor which in turn helps the country's economy.
The vast majority of the East Timorese diaspora, at least 99% of them, voted rejecting to be part of Indonesia. Why? After 24 years under Indonesia more than 200,000 people died. Relative to the size of East Timor's population, this is around 2/3 of all the East Timorese. This is a scale comparable only to the NAZI holocaust. This is a genocide. And almost every member of the East Timorese diaspora have at least one member of their immediate family a victim in the hands of Indonesian government in the most unjustifieable way. And you ask why they voted for East Timor to break away? And you ask why nearly 80% of the East Timorese voted not to be part of Indonesia? Are you that insensitive? Or maybe you are an Indonesian who does not understand the scale of terror and oppression that the East Timorese went through? Or maybe you are a member of those priviledged East Timores who collaborated with Indonesia and got all of your family members to safety in Jawa?
You blame Fretilin in 1975 for the Indonesian invasion. Did Fretilin invite Indonesia to invade East Timor? Did UDT? Did any East Timorse? Indonesia had plans to incorporate East Timor long before the East Timorese even decided to be the outcome of their future.
And pease stop being a racist and an ignorant puritan. Hundreds of thousands East Timorese died fighting Indonesia's army regardless of their race or religion. If you know a bit about what you are talking about then you ought to know this.
East Timor belongs to all whether you are rich or poor, catholic or non-catholic, criminals or not. No one is less East Timorese than others. Any decent and hard working East Timorese has a limitless opportunity to be whatever he or she wants to be. This is East Timor.
# posted by : 9:45 AM
: 9:45 AM
Genocide in East Timor by Indonesia?
Dear camarada that gave comments to my posting. Your pointing fingers to Indonesia for the figure of 200.000 people that died in East Timor from 1975 to 1980-ies does not only show that you are the one who do not know anything at a ll about the cause of those deaths, or you are fooled by what I discribed as successful propaganda by Ramos Horta in deceiving the international community or you are just a member of Fretilin or Falentil who committed those crimes and still try to hide your crime by pointing your fingers to others.
If comandante Aquiles is still alive, he will tell you why he was killed by the Falentil radical wing. Or you can ask Paulino Gama why he has to surrender himself to the Indonesian army, or you should ask the live witness - the first President of ET - Xavier do Amaral, why he was jailed by Falintil in an animal cage in the mountains. You should ask the international red cross who cared the thousands of East Timores who died in Hera and Metinaro for lack of food when descending from the mountains. Did you know the history of the way how people are killed in the jungle if they were found to get a spoon of Indonesian sugar or rice? They are arbitrarily killed without any judicial due process. You might born after 1980-ies and dont know all this dark history of Fretilin crime.
Can you ask your father how Fretilin forced people to go to the mountains in 1975? Can you ask Xanana how the Falentil wanted to protect themselves by putting civilians in the frontline of the battle? Can you ask if your father can show you an Indonesian mass grave of the massacre by Indonesian army. At least, I myself cannot point you any mass grave of massacre by Indonesian army, but I defenitely can show you the three mass graves of massacre by Fretilin in Aileu. I can even show where they are. I can even tell you the names of the places: Saboria, Aissiri Moun and Manu Tane (Mantane).
Even now I can even invite you to come with me to Baucau to meet Commandante Aquilies wife who, now, still keep asking Xanana where is the grave of his beloved husband comandante Aquiles.
My comrade, let's stop pointing fingers to others, let´s all ask the forgiveness to those peoples family who we killed innocently by putting them as human shields to face the Indonesian army, let us ask for the forgivness of the thousands of people who died for hunger in the mountains and valeys of East Timor for our lack of possibility to provide them proper food.
Let us now concentrate on our election, let us listen to the voice of the people and not pointing them guns when they voice their protest. Let´s not use force when the opposition group sounds their opinios, for all us, have the right of life and to voice our opinions freely and democratically.
It is so small-minded to depict someone as pro-Indonesia or pro-Australia when he/she tells the truth about Fretilin and Falintil crime. Wake up my brother/sister, no actual leader in East Timor whose hands is not stained with blood whether you like it or not. Xanana did order to kill his own uncle in the jungle - it was the rule of jungle. Francisco Xavier did order for the massacre of the leaders of the opponent political parties in Aileu - it was the rule of no government in power. We allege Indonesia for the massacre of 200.000 people, but who can point a mass grave by Indonesian army in East Timor?
Let us not commit the same mistake when we took witnesses for Human Rights violations in the Indonesian court, and when these witnesses tesified, none said they only heard but not seen directly.
LAW IS LAW, YOU TELL WHAT YOU SEE AND NOT WHAT YOU HEARD. I am affraid that when we take the case of the 200.000 deaths to the international court and the indictment will be against Falentil and not Indonesia.
Makse,
Fitun Lotuk Lemorai.
NOTE: The work 'Makse' is Thank You in Tetun. This expression was introduced by Armindo Tilman in Portugal to replace Obrigado in Portuguse. It means Maromak Selu or Maromak sei Selu. But this term was not popular because it cannot be used when we want to express our appreciation to God (How can we say Maromak Selu to Maromak Himself?)
Dear camarada that gave comments to my posting. Your pointing fingers to Indonesia for the figure of 200.000 people that died in East Timor from 1975 to 1980-ies does not only show that you are the one who do not know anything at a ll about the cause of those deaths, or you are fooled by what I discribed as successful propaganda by Ramos Horta in deceiving the international community or you are just a member of Fretilin or Falentil who committed those crimes and still try to hide your crime by pointing your fingers to others.
If comandante Aquiles is still alive, he will tell you why he was killed by the Falentil radical wing. Or you can ask Paulino Gama why he has to surrender himself to the Indonesian army, or you should ask the live witness - the first President of ET - Xavier do Amaral, why he was jailed by Falintil in an animal cage in the mountains. You should ask the international red cross who cared the thousands of East Timores who died in Hera and Metinaro for lack of food when descending from the mountains. Did you know the history of the way how people are killed in the jungle if they were found to get a spoon of Indonesian sugar or rice? They are arbitrarily killed without any judicial due process. You might born after 1980-ies and dont know all this dark history of Fretilin crime.
Can you ask your father how Fretilin forced people to go to the mountains in 1975? Can you ask Xanana how the Falentil wanted to protect themselves by putting civilians in the frontline of the battle? Can you ask if your father can show you an Indonesian mass grave of the massacre by Indonesian army. At least, I myself cannot point you any mass grave of massacre by Indonesian army, but I defenitely can show you the three mass graves of massacre by Fretilin in Aileu. I can even show where they are. I can even tell you the names of the places: Saboria, Aissiri Moun and Manu Tane (Mantane).
Even now I can even invite you to come with me to Baucau to meet Commandante Aquilies wife who, now, still keep asking Xanana where is the grave of his beloved husband comandante Aquiles.
My comrade, let's stop pointing fingers to others, let´s all ask the forgiveness to those peoples family who we killed innocently by putting them as human shields to face the Indonesian army, let us ask for the forgivness of the thousands of people who died for hunger in the mountains and valeys of East Timor for our lack of possibility to provide them proper food.
Let us now concentrate on our election, let us listen to the voice of the people and not pointing them guns when they voice their protest. Let´s not use force when the opposition group sounds their opinios, for all us, have the right of life and to voice our opinions freely and democratically.
It is so small-minded to depict someone as pro-Indonesia or pro-Australia when he/she tells the truth about Fretilin and Falintil crime. Wake up my brother/sister, no actual leader in East Timor whose hands is not stained with blood whether you like it or not. Xanana did order to kill his own uncle in the jungle - it was the rule of jungle. Francisco Xavier did order for the massacre of the leaders of the opponent political parties in Aileu - it was the rule of no government in power. We allege Indonesia for the massacre of 200.000 people, but who can point a mass grave by Indonesian army in East Timor?
Let us not commit the same mistake when we took witnesses for Human Rights violations in the Indonesian court, and when these witnesses tesified, none said they only heard but not seen directly.
LAW IS LAW, YOU TELL WHAT YOU SEE AND NOT WHAT YOU HEARD. I am affraid that when we take the case of the 200.000 deaths to the international court and the indictment will be against Falentil and not Indonesia.
Makse,
Fitun Lotuk Lemorai.
NOTE: The work 'Makse' is Thank You in Tetun. This expression was introduced by Armindo Tilman in Portugal to replace Obrigado in Portuguse. It means Maromak Selu or Maromak sei Selu. But this term was not popular because it cannot be used when we want to express our appreciation to God (How can we say Maromak Selu to Maromak Himself?)
# posted by : 9:31 PM
: 9:31 PM
Fitun Lemorai, you are a wanker. You are obviously an Indonesian linked to the Suharto regime.
You are full of shit and from what you said you obviously have never been to East Timor even know who Aquiles was or who his family is.
Take care and do some proper research. Read the CAVR reports. You can get this report by doing a simple search on Google. Read the victims testimony.
You are right to say that we should not point fingers now. But you should also stop your lies which is like rubbing salt to the wounds of the victims.
Allah helps you.
Terimah kasih.
You are full of shit and from what you said you obviously have never been to East Timor even know who Aquiles was or who his family is.
Take care and do some proper research. Read the CAVR reports. You can get this report by doing a simple search on Google. Read the victims testimony.
You are right to say that we should not point fingers now. But you should also stop your lies which is like rubbing salt to the wounds of the victims.
Allah helps you.
Terimah kasih.
# posted by : 8:14 AM
: 8:14 AM
fitun lemorai lemo lemorai iha indonesia
o koalia hansan ema milisi sira
diakliu o hela deit iha jawa
timor fatin laiha ba ema hanesan o
o koalia hansan ema milisi sira
diakliu o hela deit iha jawa
timor fatin laiha ba ema hanesan o
# posted by : 1:46 PM
: 1:46 PM
Fitun Lotuk Lemorai lian nafatin hanesan berliku ai laran tuan.
Laiha maufehuk Fretilin ida sei bele manda Timor. Fretilin tenki aprende lisaun husi Angola ou Venezuela tanba sa mak ema matenek barak halai sai husi sira nia rain e ba serbisu iha nasaun seluk. Iha Angola so ema husi parti maioritario mak bele sai ema bot governo nian mesmo que nia analfabeto ka ho Indonesian nia lian dehan katak "buta huruf". Buat nune mos akontese iha Venezuela e akontese mos iha Governo Fretilin nian. Agora ita tenki husu tan sa mak Fretilin lakohi usa ema matenek sira hanesan Lucas da Costa, João Mariano, Helder, Basilio Araujo, Florentino Sarmento. Tamba sa mak Fretilin lakohi bolu ema matenek sira iha Portugal hanesan Advogado José Belo, Advogado Boavida, Engineiro Pedro, Engineiro Estanislau, Dr. Alberto Araujo.
Fretilin usa deit mau fehuk sira hanesan Domingos Sarmento hanesan Mistro justisa. Mau Fehuk nee, kuando hau sei iha SMA nia escola tiha ona iha universidade. E kuando hau hoto tiha ona hau nia Doutorado, nia sei escola nafatin iha universidade. E agora mos nia koalia lasai. Nia kolega ida mak João Câmara. E agora Ministro José Luis Guterres tau nia hanessan Secretário Geral. Coitado, João nem bele dirige encontro internacional ida, oin sak nia bele organiza ministerio ida. Hau sei fo valor liu ba Nelson do que João. Nelson bele joven, mas nia manda lei kuando chefia reunião internacional. E nia colocação hanesan embaixador Timor Leste agora iha America nee bele diak teb-tebes ba Timor.
Ba maun alin komentadores sira, ita lalika koalia at ita nia maluk Timor oan sira mak agora hela iha Indonesia, tanba ita bele bolu sira hanesan milisi ba, mai be ita mos halo hanesan deit kundo Fretelin forma Brigada Negra ou esquadrão da morte atu oho fali ita nia maun alin rasik nebe hakarak usa sira direito basico atu hato sira nia hanoin e sira nia lia fuan tuir dalam democracia nian. Portanto, ita tnki fihir ita nia an lai antes ke dehan at ema seluk.
Hau hanoin ita nia maun alin milisi sira mak sei hela iha Indonesia nee, sira mos iha sira nia maluk barak iha Timor, e se ita imagina ema milisi sira nee haruka osan ba sira nia maluk sira iha Timor karik, osan hira mak tama ona iha Timor Leste. Nee duni, se ema barak hela iha estrangeiro, diak liu tan ba Timor. Hanesan ema Judeus sira mak hela lemo-lemorai iha mundo tomak maibe tane nafatin Israel hanesan be kopu ida lanakfakar.
Mak nee deit, hau nia lian ba ohin.
Husi Fitun Lotuk Lemorai.
(Hau agora hakerek iha Tetun atu hatudu ba leitores sira katak hau laos Milisi Indonesian nian e hau laos ema Indonésia). Hau sei bele hakerek Tetun diak liu tan ita nia jornalista sira maka kahor modo metan ho kangkung arbiru deit e hakerek Portugues ain sae ulun la hun la dikin. Hau bele hakerek iha makasae e ho mos mambae.
Laiha maufehuk Fretilin ida sei bele manda Timor. Fretilin tenki aprende lisaun husi Angola ou Venezuela tanba sa mak ema matenek barak halai sai husi sira nia rain e ba serbisu iha nasaun seluk. Iha Angola so ema husi parti maioritario mak bele sai ema bot governo nian mesmo que nia analfabeto ka ho Indonesian nia lian dehan katak "buta huruf". Buat nune mos akontese iha Venezuela e akontese mos iha Governo Fretilin nian. Agora ita tenki husu tan sa mak Fretilin lakohi usa ema matenek sira hanesan Lucas da Costa, João Mariano, Helder, Basilio Araujo, Florentino Sarmento. Tamba sa mak Fretilin lakohi bolu ema matenek sira iha Portugal hanesan Advogado José Belo, Advogado Boavida, Engineiro Pedro, Engineiro Estanislau, Dr. Alberto Araujo.
Fretilin usa deit mau fehuk sira hanesan Domingos Sarmento hanesan Mistro justisa. Mau Fehuk nee, kuando hau sei iha SMA nia escola tiha ona iha universidade. E kuando hau hoto tiha ona hau nia Doutorado, nia sei escola nafatin iha universidade. E agora mos nia koalia lasai. Nia kolega ida mak João Câmara. E agora Ministro José Luis Guterres tau nia hanessan Secretário Geral. Coitado, João nem bele dirige encontro internacional ida, oin sak nia bele organiza ministerio ida. Hau sei fo valor liu ba Nelson do que João. Nelson bele joven, mas nia manda lei kuando chefia reunião internacional. E nia colocação hanesan embaixador Timor Leste agora iha America nee bele diak teb-tebes ba Timor.
Ba maun alin komentadores sira, ita lalika koalia at ita nia maluk Timor oan sira mak agora hela iha Indonesia, tanba ita bele bolu sira hanesan milisi ba, mai be ita mos halo hanesan deit kundo Fretelin forma Brigada Negra ou esquadrão da morte atu oho fali ita nia maun alin rasik nebe hakarak usa sira direito basico atu hato sira nia hanoin e sira nia lia fuan tuir dalam democracia nian. Portanto, ita tnki fihir ita nia an lai antes ke dehan at ema seluk.
Hau hanoin ita nia maun alin milisi sira mak sei hela iha Indonesia nee, sira mos iha sira nia maluk barak iha Timor, e se ita imagina ema milisi sira nee haruka osan ba sira nia maluk sira iha Timor karik, osan hira mak tama ona iha Timor Leste. Nee duni, se ema barak hela iha estrangeiro, diak liu tan ba Timor. Hanesan ema Judeus sira mak hela lemo-lemorai iha mundo tomak maibe tane nafatin Israel hanesan be kopu ida lanakfakar.
Mak nee deit, hau nia lian ba ohin.
Husi Fitun Lotuk Lemorai.
(Hau agora hakerek iha Tetun atu hatudu ba leitores sira katak hau laos Milisi Indonesian nian e hau laos ema Indonésia). Hau sei bele hakerek Tetun diak liu tan ita nia jornalista sira maka kahor modo metan ho kangkung arbiru deit e hakerek Portugues ain sae ulun la hun la dikin. Hau bele hakerek iha makasae e ho mos mambae.
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